
The Devil You Don’t Know
In The Devil You Don’t Know, Lindsay, Cleveland, and their guests discuss personal growth and development by taking chances and getting out of your comfort zone. Topics range from whimsical to serious and everything in between but are always relevant to growth and development.
Episodes
64 episodes
Your Emotional Triggers Are Actually Medicine in Disguise: Turning Reactivity into Wisdom
Have you ever wondered why certain people or situations trigger such intense emotional reactions in you? What if those triggers aren't just annoying disruptions but actually powerful messengers trying to reveal something important about your un...
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48:12

Rise Above the Script: Why Your Brain Fights Your Biggest Breakthroughs a Conversation with Albert Bramante PhD
Have you ever found yourself on the verge of a breakthrough only to sabotage your progress? You're not alone. In this deeply insightful conversation with Dr. Albert Bramante, performance psychologist, talent agent, and author of "Rise Above the...
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55:42

The Divorce You Don’t Regret: Mediation, Money & Moving On a Conversation with Mediation Expert Joe Dillon
Joe Dillon, co-founder of Equitable Mediation Services, shares how couples can navigate divorce with clarity, compassion, and collaboration rather than through costly, emotionally destructive litigation.• Divorce doesn't have to be a di...
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55:44

Jack Ruins Everything: When Adult Children Hijack Your Peace
Cleveland and Lindsay explore the problem of adult children controlling their parents' lives, sparked by overhearing a family vacation conversation about how "Jack ruins everything." They examine the balance between loving your adult children a...
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49:00

The Alchemy of Acceptance: The Power of Embracing Your Pain
We explore the concept of emotional acceptance and how confronting rather than avoiding difficult feelings is essential to healing from trauma. Transformation happens when we learn to accept our emotions and reframe our relationship with past p...
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40:29

The Window, The Car, and The Dress: Tales from the Parenting Trenches
Lindsay and Cleveland explore the messy reality of parenting through recent chaotic events in their household, from a crashed car and shattered picture window to prom dress drama and boundary-setting with young adult children.• A car cr...
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27:31

Why Trusting Your Gut Changes Everything
Most people don't trust themselves, constantly seeking external validation and living unhappy lives despite trying to please everyone around them.• Self-trust means being comfortable with who you are rather than constantly seeking appro...
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47:47

Are You Together?
Shores of NevisFrom the white sands of Nevis, we find ourselves reflecting on a deceptively simple question: What does it mean to truly be together?For us, an interracial couple navigating the rhythms of a blended ...
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Island Escapes and Life Lessons: Finding Paradise in Nevis
What starts as a terrifying moment pre-flight turns into a wake-up call I didn’t know I needed. On our way to Nevis, I fainted on the plane—no warning, just out cold. The timing felt awful... until we found out later that the plane’s computer s...
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The Gravity of Unspoken Expectations: Why Your Partner Isn't a Mind Reader
Cleveland and Lindsay return after a long break to tackle the frustrating phenomenon of silent scripts in relationships and why expecting your partner to read your mind sets you both up for failure.• Silent scripts are unspoken expectat...
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58:49

The Breath Reset: Breaking Free From Perfectionism
Self-judgment holds us back from authentic growth by triggering stress responses and reinforcing negative beliefs about ourselves. Perfectionism, deeply rooted in childhood experiences and amplified by social media, creates impossible standards...
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40:59

Separate and Unequal: America's School Segregation Crisis
Educational segregation in America has reached crisis levels, with schools more segregated today than in the 1980s, despite Brown v. Board of Education supposedly ending this practice decades ago. We explore how systemic issues including fundin...
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54:00

I Don't Have A Point to Prove: Why Every Argument Isn't Worth the Fight
In this engaging episode, we explore the ramifications of fighting over every point and why it often leads to unnecessary stress and emotional exhaustion. Through candid discussions, we share personal anecdotes that shed light on how the need t...
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Do Better Next Time
Our recent episode focuses on empathy and the vital role it plays in countering division in today's world. We highlight Dave Chappelle's (SNL 50) poignant remarks on humanity, trauma, and compassion in the wake of societal upheaval, urging list...
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Episode 50
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47:30

Accountability is an Inside Job
This episode centers on the theme that accountability is fundamentally an inside job, exploring the connection between personal responsibility and healing through acceptance. We discuss stories of transformation, lessons from experts like Gabor...
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Episode 49
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32:48

Creating Calm Amid Life's Unexpected Twists
This episode navigates the complexities of emotional fatigue and the overwhelming nature of modern life. Through personal stories and discussions on societal expectations, we explore acceptance, the dangers of information overload, and the impo...
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Episode 48
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58:30

Building Connection Through Chaos: Finding Community in Unexpected Places
What happens when you blend the chaos of a kitchen flood with the warmth of a vegan Friendsgiving? Join us as we share our latest escapades, from Cleveland's ponderings of a PhD amidst his return to the office grind to Lindsay's unwavering reso...
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Episode 47
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Navigating Life's Chaos: Embracing Connection in the Land of Confusion
What happens when two therapists, bound by marriage, tackle life's chaos together? From home renovations that never seem to end to tales of a high-tech toilet that's more intelligent than we'd like to admit, our lives have been anything but dul...
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Episode 46
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The Work Happens Between the Sessions: Taking Ownership of Your Healing Journey
What if you could take control of your healing journey and transform your life beyond therapy sessions? Join us as we uncover the often overlooked aspects of personal growth, inspired by the biblical verse Philippians 2:12. Through engaging sto...
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Episode 45
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60% In: The Struggle with Partial Commitments, Investing in Self Worth for Healthier Connections
Ever wondered why partial commitments can feel like a full-time strain? Join us as we crack open the emotional rollercoaster of half-hearted investments in relationships and the unique challenges faced by house husbands. Cleveland shares his ca...
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Episode 44
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Embracing Self-Awareness: The Power of Looking Inward for True Fulfillment
Ever wondered why some people seem genuinely content while others constantly chase external approval? We kick off this episode reflecting on a quote from a silent retreat: "Who looks inside awakens, who looks outside dreams." This sets the stag...
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Episode 43
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1:03:20

Mindful Living: Letting Go of Rehearsing and Rehashing by Embracing the Present
What happens when unsuspecting guests discover they’re at a vegan B&B? Find out as we recount our delightful stay at the Black Sheep Inn and Spa, complete with two-hour vegan breakfasts and the warm hospitality of Simon and Miranda. Plus, w...
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Episode 42
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Finding Freedom in Solitude: Lessons from Buffett and Twain (Bonus Episode)
What if embracing your loneliness could be the key to true freedom? In this bonus episode, I steal Lindsay's microphone and take inspiration from the legendary Jimmy Buffett and the timeless wisdom of Mark Twain to explore the profound connecti...
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Episode 41
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3:26

Inner Narratives: The Art of Rewriting Your Life
We explore seeing one's life as a story that can be rewritten, encouraging listeners to reflect on who is authoring their personal narrative. The conversation navigates the differences between living passively versus proactively, emphasizing ho...
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Episode 40
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43:21

Stop Lying to Yourself: A Journey to Self-Honesty and Compassion
What happens when you blend the magic of live music with the liberating feeling of breaking free from societal pressures? Join us as we recount our unforgettable summer adventures, starting with a thrilling trip to Nashville. Our escapades were...
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Episode 39
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