The Devil You Don’t Know
In The Devil You Don’t Know, Lindsay, Cleveland, and their guests discuss personal growth and development by taking chances and getting out of your comfort zone. Topics range from whimsical to serious and everything in between but are always relevant to growth and development.
The Devil You Don’t Know
Island Escapes and Life Lessons: Finding Paradise in Nevis
What starts as a terrifying moment pre-flight turns into a wake-up call I didn’t know I needed. On our way to Nevis, I fainted on the plane—no warning, just out cold. The timing felt awful... until we found out later that the plane’s computer system failed after we got off. What seemed like bad luck was actually divine intervention, and it shook me awake in more ways than one.
From the porch of our quiet villa in Nevis, Lindsay and I talk about the deep contrast between the relentless pace of American hustle culture and the slow, easy rhythm of island life. We laugh about the hot beach sand that sends people running into the sea, spotting Corey Stoll at the local beach bar, and the hilarious challenge of driving a Japanese import with all the controls in a different language.
But this episode isn’t just vacation stories—it’s a real look at what matters. I talk openly about my default mode of grinding, fixing, overdoing... while Lindsay, as always, reminds me what presence looks like. We touch on everything from Caribbean hospitality to tourists upset about the lack of flat-screen TVs in paradise—and what that says about our skewed priorities.
This experience cracked something open in me. And if you’ve been feeling stretched too thin or stuck on autopilot, I hope it does the same for you. Because paradise isn’t always a place. Sometimes, it’s a moment you give yourself permission to fully live.
Please email us at Gettoknowthedevil@gmail.com
This is Cleveland, this is Lindsay and this live from Nevis in St Kitts, or St Kitts of Nevis is another episode of the Devil, you Don't Know.
Lindsay Oakes:Well, we're in Nevis. Well, we're in Nevis, but we flew to St Kitts. But we flew to St Kitts. Yeah, it's been an eventful oh it has been an eventful week, very eventful week, but let's talk about. I always say to you like some of the things that happen in our lives you just can't make up.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, that's true, right.
Lindsay Oakes:And one day you were out a couple of weeks ago and it was the craziest thing the doorbell rang Right. I had to just going into a client. I was like five minutes to 12. I think I have a client at noon and the doorbell rang and I opened the door and there was a woman I didn't know on the porch and a dog ran in our house, not just a dog, and I knew the dog it was our neighbor's dog.
Lindsay Oakes:And she said I found the dog in the street and so here the neighbor is not home, and someone told me it's the neighbor's, so could you keep her. And then the woman just walked away. Mind you, we already have like a farm. Yeah, we have two dogs and three cats, and so as soon as the dogs, who I put in the basement in their happy little you know area while I have the clients, because I was the only one home and I didn't need them circling around me Now they could hear the other dog in the house now, and so they're going nuts. I have a client on the line. This dog is jumping circles around me. I had to put the client on hold, let the other dogs outside. Then the cat came and then the cats got in a fight with the dog and it was the most ridiculous thing and I was like who does this stuff happen to?
Cleveland Oakes:us.
Lindsay Oakes:Yes, it's so bizarre. So then I'm calling the woman and she's not picking up and I'm leaving her messages. Like your dog is in our house. I was so distracted during the session I couldn't even charge my client. I had to just apologize profusely because I felt like I was not present at all for her, but like I would never ring someone's doorbell and be like here.
Cleveland Oakes:Your neighbor's not home, take a dog, but you're leaving out a part of the story that you told me, that you said that somebody actually told her hey, bring those guys.
Lindsay Oakes:Yes, I'll take the dog. But the craziest thing about this dog is that this dog has run into our house before before so it was just so bizarre. Um I I couldn't even charge my client that morning and I was like this is just, you can't even make this up.
Cleveland Oakes:And it has happily run into the house.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh, it was running circles around me because we have that little you know back area of the kitchen now with the benches. It's jumping up on one side, it's jumping over my lap, it's jumping down, it's going back up the other side and the dog's name is Marigold and I'm calling the neighbor and she's not picking up and then clearly she doesn't know how to use a phone because she got the message and then she called you and you weren't even home.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, she called me and was like Lindsay called me but I don't have her number. First of all, I left him the message and I also called from it. Yes, it made no sense. She's like. Lindsay called me and texted me, but I do not have her number to return her call or her text. Let her know that I'm at church and I'll be there to get the dog shortly, which is at church. I think she's in the middle of the day.
Lindsay Oakes:It's the middle of the day someplace. We should also just tell a brief story about her, because I don't think she'll ever listen to the podcast, because she doesn't even know how to use the phone, so she probably doesn't even know. You have podcasts on there, but I don't think so. I don't think she knows who we are One day. She's about what? 78?.
Cleveland Oakes:Around there, around 80s, close to 80. 80s, I think.
Lindsay Oakes:And one day we're very early morning grocery shoppers on the weekend. Unless I could manage to get there during the week and one morning we were leaving, it was cold out, it must've been in the late fall.
Cleveland Oakes:It was either cold going to hot or hot going to cold. I feel like it was like spring.
Lindsay Oakes:Well, the queen mom was coming with us to the grocery store. It was very early in the morning on like a Saturday, maybe 630. And we go out and this woman is doing the walk. Of shame, she had no pants on.
Cleveland Oakes:Walk of shame.
Lindsay Oakes:She had no pants on and she was holding a pillow.
Cleveland Oakes:Holding a pillow.
Lindsay Oakes:And she had a winter coat that came just below her bottom. And she was holding a pillow, holding a pillow and she had a winter coat that came just below her bottom. Yes, and you could see, I mean, that was hilarious, we were just. And then she was so embarrassed she gave a little flippant wave and ran off.
Cleveland Oakes:I don't, yeah, I just think she was. Was she embarrassed, or was she was like yeah, boy, I still got it. Yeah, I still I.
Lindsay Oakes:I tell you the strangest things happen in our neighborhood. Well, strange things happen period.
Cleveland Oakes:Like you know, I want to relay a story, and if you guys can't tell the tone of this one, this is just going to be like more of a freewheeling one. We decided we're on vacation, we're relaxing, we're going to tell some island stories and just talk about the pace of life in general. But yeah, this week, you know, something strange happened to me Well, not strange, because everybody tells me that I burned myself out and something that Lindsay talks about multiple times in the podcast, and I'm going to take what happened to me on Tuesday as a wake up call. You know, making sure that I, you know, take care of my health and whatnot.
Cleveland Oakes:So we were originally supposed to fly to Nevis St Kitts and Nevis on Tuesday morning and we were on the plane. Plane is taxiing down the runway getting ready to take off, getting ready to take its position, Um, where, all of a sudden and Lindsay can tell it better than me because I was there, but apparently I wasn't there at the same time where I fainted in my seat, and so I'll tell you the experience he broke out in a sweat.
Lindsay Oakes:You had tears running down your face and I was like what is wrong with you? Are you okay? And you're like she had a bad dream. I had a bad dream. And then you're like I'm hot, I'm so hot, and thankfully the flight attendant was still milling about, so so she saw you and um, she's, we're taking off your sweater, we're putting ice on you, there's a nurse taking your pulse. We thought I was dead. It was so scary. Your eyes were rolling back into your head and then you poured a cup of water on yourself and, yeah, it was very scary. And then we had to get off the plane.
Lindsay Oakes:Obviously, we had to get off the plane and spend the entire day, uh, dealing with the rebooking of the flight and making sure everything was okay to get on another flight, taking you to the hospital, getting our luggage back. And you know, I have to say, everybody at the airport was lovely, everybody was lovely, thank you. I was very difficult to deal with all that stuff, like in an emergency, and they didn't want me to leave the airport without the luggage, right? So I'm like well then, can you get the luggage? Because if you don't get the luggage we can't leave. So we ended up leaving, went, spent the day at the hospital, but as we're sitting there waiting for everything, we're watching the flight creep back to, like later and later and later it was supposed to initially take off at 10 AM and then all of a sudden it's like oh 1115.
Lindsay Oakes:And I was like oh, I must be because they lost their place to take off. And anyway, it kept getting later and later. I don't think they ended up taking off till like 2, 30 or 3 o'clock and I felt terrible. Cleve thought it was his fault and he just felt awful for these people going on vacation. And then last night, last night.
Cleveland Oakes:We're in uh, we're in nevis and um somebody from the plane recognized me dinner yeah, we're at this lovely restaurant oh, so many stories to tell.
Cleveland Oakes:But we're at this lovely restaurant in bananas where we ran into actor c Stoll. He game recognized game. So, as Lindsay said, as soon as he walked in I was like, hey, lindsay, that guy's an actor. Only I would know who Corey Stoll is. And probably half of our listeners have no idea who Corey Stoll is. He's from Billions, he's from Ant-Man and Quantumania from the first good Ant-Man movie and he's also played MODOK in the last very bad, very terrible ant-man movie. Um, he's been in a cory stole's been in a number of things. He's a fellow brooklynite, lives in brooklyn and won't put, blow him up and put him, put him out there, but cory stole walks in his family with his family and and some other folks. Um, very pleasant gentleman recognized him right away. He looked at me, I looked at him. Game recognizes game. We nodded at each other. But that is not the end of the story. What happens is so bananas, is this lovely bananas in the jungle?
Lindsay Oakes:it's beautiful in the jungle, but they have a deck to watch the sunset. So we go up on the deck and you know they have a cocktail and happy hour and all this stuff. So we're sitting up there, somebody playing a guitar, we're just looking out at the sea and over the palm trees, and then all of a sudden Cleve looks down.
Cleveland Oakes:And this woman goes and I was like where does this lady know me from? And she goes oh my God, it's you. And like it's like I'm so happy to see you. She's like I'm so happy to see you. You don't know how happy I am to see you. And I'm like who is this? And then I've recognized them from our flight.
Lindsay Oakes:I did not because I was nervous making sure you were okay.
Cleveland Oakes:And then the husband is like oh my God, we are so happy to see you. You do not know what happened after they took you off that flight. He was like the entire computer system died. He was like the plane did not take off six hours late because of you. He was like, thanks to you. When they took you off the plane, when we went to go take off again, the entire flight control, the whole computer system died. The plane became unresponsive and we actually had to replace it. Took them like that many hours four hours, I think. He said four hours to reboot and replace the entire computer system. So he was like that crazy thing that happened to you.
Cleveland Oakes:You either, and I'm not going to say I don't want to name the airline, I want to name the airline once. First I'm going to name the air. I'm not going to name the airline, but you know who you are Um, wonderful staff, wonderful crew. Um, you know you were very accommodating to us, you helped us rebook the flight and thank you so much for that. But that gentleman, when him and his wife saw him, he said you know what he said.
Cleveland Oakes:I believe that things happen for a reason and he was like you getting sick on that plane probably saved our lives, or at least saved us from a scary, a very, very, very scary situation. Because imagine if the complained computers dies and we were getting ready to take off. That's the thing is. We were getting ready to take off, that's the thing is. We were getting ready to take off and I've never gotten sick like that on a plane ever and it was just out of nowhere. Like one minute I'm reading a comic book, I'm enjoying myself, and the next minute, oh, there's the queen mom looking at us through the window. Um, and then the next minute I'm just I wake up and you know there's ice, you know it was's ice. It was lovely ice, though it was lovely ice, it was something about it, it was refreshing and it was just a wonderful moment for me, even though I had just scared everybody on the plane.
Cleveland Oakes:And I'd also like to thank the wonderful staff at Lawrence Hospital, because I only go where the white people go for that lovely emergency room visit. It was long, it was a little tedious, but I called my primary care physician over at Weill Cornell as soon as it happened. The crazy thing is EMS was actually arguing with the flight attendant. To let me back on the plane. They were like there's nothing wrong with this guy. I listen, I'll get into probably what happened to me in a minute, because that's pretty. That's pretty much going to be what the topic of the show is about going to be today. Um, but um, I'd like to thank the staff at Lawrence hospital there. They got us in. I guess they. They immediately took me in uh, started working me up, did over 50 tests on me. Um, literally, if when I look at my my chart, uh, they x-rayed my heart, x-rayed my lungs.
Cleveland Oakes:Both the heart and lungs were clear At the end of the day numerous blood tests, but at the end of the day, it was you don't take care of yourself at the end of the day.
Lindsay Oakes:Don't sleep enough, you don't eat enough and you don't take care of yourself.
Cleveland Oakes:At the end of the day, it's yes, I do not. I am always push, push, push, push, push, go, go, go, go, go um. And you know, even to the extent that I've had patients say to me like yo, bro, like you good this week, like, are you making sure that you take care of yourself? And and, and it's important, right, um, the only the wind-up of it is and I will follow up with the doctor when we get back to New York on the 29th is one of my thyroid levels was slightly elevated, a little bit out of normal. Other than that, I had a clean bill of health. The doctor said I was like the fittest that they've ever seen. I was like very fit, and it was a couple of funny things that happened in the emergency room while we were there.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh my Lord Also it was a very, very long day. It was very long.
Cleveland Oakes:It was a very long day. It was a very long day, you know what You're well now, and that's what's important.
Lindsay Oakes:And let's talk about a little bit about our vacation and the comical beach activity yesterday oh well, yesterday was crazy.
Cleveland Oakes:comical beach activity yesterday oh well, yesterday was crazy.
Cleveland Oakes:But what I want to say before, as we, as we get into that topic, is part of what it looks like in you know, the doctor calls me while I'm on the beach yesterday and says, hey, it looks like your thyroid is a little elevated.
Cleveland Oakes:Um, and part of that is due to stress, right, stress not sleeping, right. Um, not necessarily taking care of yourself in the way that you should be taking care of. And listen, as a friend of mine said to me last week and as Lindsay says to me always physician, heal thyself. And while we are in the process of trying to help other people and help our family and our friends and all of you out there in our audience, our family and our friends, in addition to the folks that we are related to, it is important to do self-care right. It is physician heal thyself right. And so that was. You know, when I saw that couple last night and Corey Stoll who saw me, it really made me realize that I need to take a break, right, and it really made me realize that I need to slow down and, as as Lindsay's tried to tell me on numerous occasions and multiple people have told me, is like numerous occasions, it's it's slow down and enjoy.
Cleveland Oakes:So, with that being, said that's something that you have a really hard time doing, but, with that being said, that's what you know. I want to talk about slow down and enjoy and talk about you know our adventures on the island and what we've seen and what we've done. So far Drinking my iced coffee, drinking your iced coffee Outside, and so tell folks about the beach. So we're on the beach and we meet some wonderful people on the beach yesterday.
Lindsay Oakes:So we're on the beach yesterday. This is very funny and you know, we all, everybody's a very quiet place. So Nevis is a very sleepy island and maybe there's 20 people on the beach total and it's a huge beach and I go to go swimming and the sand is so hot, so hot and my feet are burning and I don't know why I didn't turn back. Instead I'm just running. I haven't run in years. I'm like running to the ocean. The queen mom is running to the ocean. You like start to come and I'm like no.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm like, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm like I couldn't be that hot. And then I was like, oh, shoot, this is hot, so I'm like grab our sandals.
Lindsay Oakes:So you're grabbing everyone's shoes and then we're sitting in the ocean for like the next hour just laughing as everybody that gets up from their chair Cause it was hot yesterday. The sun was really hot.
Cleveland Oakes:It was about 80 degrees, but the sun was so hot and every time someone got up from the chair you'd see people of all shapes and sizes just take a few steps and then just start running. How about?
Lindsay Oakes:that guy, the big bald guy, did you see him? He just came like running and flying Belly flopped into the ocean. But it was hilarious just watching these people run. I don't know why I was so amused, but I'm actually looking forward to that again today.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, we'll see it today, so you want to. I think we're staying here again today for the beach. Did you want to?
Lindsay Oakes:I don't think it's, it's saturday, right, I don't even know what day it is. Yeah, it's saturday. So, yeah, no reason to leave here. There's a, you know, restaurant, a bar and the beach right here and um, but you know what a special little island this is. We, we flew into st kitts and I've never been to saint kitts, never been to nevis. We wanted to go to nevis before covid and we, you know. Then the travel shut down and you kept saying I really want to go, really want to go, really want to go. And by the time we booked this, most places were sold out. But we did get this lovely little two-bedroom, two-bath villa and when we got to St Kitts, we took the sexy taxi.
Cleveland Oakes:Sexy taxi.
Lindsay Oakes:Everything sexy, silvo. Everything sexy, the sexy taxi. And he brought us to this little tiny bar PJ's.
Cleveland Oakes:On the water and immediately invited us to the 420 party.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, but would not be joining that party. And then we took a water taxi over here and it's a six minute water taxi ride For $160 round trip Per person. I mean really? I mean, I guess we weren't going to swim with our luggage, so there was no other option, but we ended up taking the water taxi and then getting a ride with Tintin Tintin Over to where we're staying and it's beautiful over here.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, we're at the Hamilton Beach Resort Wonderful place. There's the four. I want to correct myself because I incorrectly told a friend of mine who said this morning, who asked me where we were at um, I said the marriott is here on nevis. The marriott is actually on saint kitts. The four seasons were no doubt cory stolen. Family are staying down the road. We couldn't even get a room there. It was sold out. It it was sold out. But the Four Seasons is down the road. But the Hamilton Beach Inn is a lovely place. It is a lovely establishment. The Yachtsman Bar and Grill is a lovely place. I also, before we continue, I want to give a shout out to Rich and Renee who we met. Happy 50th anniversary.
Lindsay Oakes:What was? Regina? But okay.
Cleveland Oakes:You always give people the wrong names. Okay, rich and Regina, it's R&R. Boom, boom. Rich and Regina, who happy 50th anniversary to them. They're treated out here by their kids.
Cleveland Oakes:But one of the things that I want to talk about in all of this is getting out of the rat race, relaxing, yeah, the pace of life. The pace of life. One thing that really struck me here is, everyone here that I have met is very industrious. Here is everyone here that I have met is very industrious, from Silvo, our taxi driver, to PJ to 1010, to the young lady who at the front desk is, everyone here is industrious. You know, folks have put us on to hey, you can be a citizen here if you buy property.
Cleveland Oakes:And it made me think about a lot of things that we're not doing right in the States, especially when it comes to and I'm not going to get political here, but especially when it comes to immigration. You know, one of the amazing things about all these countries is they don't mind if you immigrate here, right, they just want you to be a productive citizen and you also have to pay. Yeah, but it's like. It's like when we think about the folks that we encounter back in back home. It often seems like people want a free ride. Right, you know. And one of the things about being here in paradise I see you seem like to be to be reading something but one of the things like here in paradise, in these situations, everyone and listen. Everybody's got their troubles. Everyone has things that that make them unhappy, but I think when the pace of life is simpler and kinder, Right, Well, the people are happier.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah Right, People are happier here, and and that's that's what I've noticed is that we haven't met anybody here who's not smiling and speaking to you and saying good morning, good afternoon, have a great day, and it's everywhere you go. I mean yesterday at the grocery store, this man said good morning to me and I didn't even notice he was talking to me because I'm not used to that, and he said it so many times. I finally turned around and was like I'm so sorry.
Cleveland Oakes:Good morning, and even even the story of so Bananas Bistro, wonderful bistro.
Lindsay Oakes:We met the owner last night and tell the folks a little bit about her story, about you know you read her whole story about how oh, she had a lovely story in her, in the menu, yes, and she, well, she basically was a dancer and she danced and danced and danced all over the world and you know different kinds of places, but then just finally ended up here and began cooking, and then she eventually opened this restaurant. She bought land. I mean, it's such a beautiful property, it's really one of the most beautiful places that I've ever been, right, I mean it was. It was such a beautiful restaurant and it made me think about all the other islands that we go to, because we go to the British Virgin Islands a lot and there's no reason not to have a place like that there. But there's nothing like that there, right, everything here is very uh, there's a lot of culture here and all of the menus are all very local.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, and it was, um, like. Her story was like she got out of the rat race. It was like the name of the restaurant is not bananas, even though there's a bunch of lovely monkeys here. We went to Luna, which was also a shout out to Luna, which was our first uh, where we first? When we landed on Thursday night, it was the first place that we had a meal at on Thursday.
Lindsay Oakes:Beautiful, it was beautiful. Everything is so pretty here. Everything is beautiful. These vaulted ceilings, these, you know, fans, beautiful lights. Last night we were really just eating in the jungle, but it was just really so. It was so beautiful. Everything about it is beautiful and relaxing, except for when cleve drives um, well, that's another thing.
Cleveland Oakes:Well, I'm just gonna let you just drive, and just for, lindsey has no, for first of all, to drive out here, you're supposed to have a nevis driver's license, but you know what, I'm just gonna let lindsey just drive for the rest of the vacation because, it's just, it makes her more relaxed and easy.
Cleveland Oakes:I enjoy driving out here, it's not difficult to drive out here, but the steering wheel is on the right side and you drive on the left side, which, for somebody who needs a high level of control, um, it's very hard to to let somebody else take the wheel, um, so I've just decided, hey, I want Lindsay to enjoy this vacation, so I've relinquished control to let her have control and just let her figure out the driving.
Cleveland Oakes:One of the interesting things about the cars here is they're all Japanese cars and all the controls are in Japanese, right on the screen. And I was trying yesterday and I'm going to figure it out before we leave to get that damn thing in English, um, but in my efforts I got to the menu and I was able to use deep seek. Um, and deep seek suggested maybe just using a translation app. So I'm going to try to use a translation app so I can find which one of these buttons says English. But yesterday I'm fooling with the car, get it to a setting and all of a sudden, as Lindsay's driving the car, this car starts talking in Japanese. Do you remember that?
Lindsay Oakes:Yes, it was like and I was like what is happening in this car?
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, what is happening here? What is going on here in this car? But wonderful trip, wonderful island, great time. The adventure is just beginning, um, but I'm going to talk a little bit about stress and managing stress, as as, as as we, as we start wrapping up this, this particular well, you know what?
Lindsay Oakes:yes, because it's almost time for my walk on the beach, okay, so, yeah, no, I mean, I think the biggest thing for you is that it's hard for you to stay in the present moment. Right, and that's the difference between you and me. You'll say something to me and I'll be like oh please, just, I don't need my nervous system activated, so I don't talk about things that I don't can't control, right and um, which is interesting, because then I get nervous, like with the driving, just control related.
Lindsay Oakes:But yes, I I don't, I don't, I don't absorb things and take things on that I can't control, and that's a big important thing for me, because it just makes me more anxious. So I don't do that. But you have a habit of like, once something is in your head, you can't get it out until it's solved. Yeah, yeah.
Cleveland Oakes:But that's a lot of folks, right. But I think managing stress and anxiety and one of the things that we like about coming to the Caribbean and coming to the islands is is is that the pace of life is different, right?
Lindsay Oakes:uh, we met some folks the other day and the guy actually complained about wow, the tv in the room didn't work and it's like dude, you're in paradise first of all, I don't watch tv at home, yeah, so I'm definitely not watching it here, but it's funny when you read the reviews of places and what people's priorities are right. One bad review was because there's not a grocery store within walking distance. It's like we're in a remote Caribbean island that you have to get to via a water taxi. There's no airport here. There's like nothing was even open yesterday because it was Good Friday.
Cleveland Oakes:Right, nothing might be open again today. We'll find out.
Lindsay Oakes:We're going to try to hit the grocery store. But that's the truth, right? Is that? People, it's. Why do you come to Nevis to watch TV? Yeah, people, it's. Why do you come to Nevis to watch TV? Yeah, we don't even sit inside. No, no, there was an earthquake yesterday.
Cleveland Oakes:Oh, we didn't know, we were in the ocean. We were in the ocean. The staff didn't know right. The people that realized recognized it, were like the nervous Americans who were like, did you feel the earthquake?
Lindsay Oakes:Did you feel the earthquake?
Cleveland Oakes:And I was like man, as somebody, as I was walking, Walking past the waiting pool here with your wine, with your full glass of $11 wine I swear they gave me the entire bottle Somebody sees me and is like, did you just feel that earthquake? I was like, bro, I'm from New York City, I don't feel earthquakes because of the subway rumbles past my house and underneath my office building every day, and they laughed. But no, it was just a. It was just a wonderful, wonderful experience. But it is important to stress. Right, I wrote, I wrote my first book, that we're going to that when I, when I drop it and start marketing is with my copy editor.
Cleveland Oakes:Now I'll tell you the title of it, but we, Lindsay and I are are have been workshopping book titles and one of the ones I was thinking about as I read something about Donald Trump was that popped up on my Apple Watch. Was that some craziness? That he did yesterday is people are mad at Trump today, Right, but one of the things about being here in the islands, we're away from all of that stuff and we're really when you, when you strip away, when you strip away the TV, the social media, the comments, the working, and these folks work Like Mansfield has two jobs. Right, you know, Mansfield Silvo has two jobs. But these people are happy.
Lindsay Oakes:I mean the woman who owned the restaurant worked for JetBlue. Remember she came in in her.
Cleveland Oakes:JetBlue outfit yeah.
Lindsay Oakes:And I was like, oh, do you work for JetBlue? And she's like yeah, and I said, oh, what route are you on? She's like I don't get in no airplane. Uh-uh, no, no, I work at the desk, I'm not getting in no airplane.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, yeah, but everybody here has a simple and listen.
Lindsay Oakes:As my brother sent me a scripture today, I would like you to know that I did speak with the woman, the concierge, yesterday. We have a lovely concierge here who really just finds you everywhere to make sure you don't need anything. It's fabulous. I love that right, because it feels very luxury, and she said that she can get you a job here in hospitality. So you know, it's an option. It's an option. I do want to live on an island. Yeah, it's an option.
Cleveland Oakes:And it's an option and one. One of the wonderful things about Nevis that we found out yesterday when we were talking about citizenship is Nevis if you buy property here and pay enough money, you can automatically become a citizen, and I think that's how citizenship should work. You should contribute to the local economy, right? I?
Lindsay Oakes:mean it's the same thing with Barbados. When you go on a 12-month visa, you have to prove your income of work from home, but you also have to pay a fee to the government. 12 month visa, not, you have to prove your income of work from home, but you also have to pay a fee to the government and you said that yesterday here because in order to they will give you citizenship here they have like a property buying, like investment kind of you know citizenship.
Lindsay Oakes:You know something, but it's, I read about it. And if you buy property, you don't just automatically get it, you also have to pay a fee. So I think it would be $15,000 for me, an additional $25,000 to bring your spouse with you, so you're just automatically bringing money into their government and into their economy. And it's smart, and there's a lot of people here who do a six and six she said so, six months in the States and six months here. But it is a very smart way to do things. And six she said so, six months in the States and six months here and but it is. It's a very smart way to do things, and that's I think that's one of the problems in America is that we just let anybody in.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, we just let anybody in, and I'm not anti-immigration and so don't get me wrong. But I do think, as the Bible says, if they do not work, they do not eat Right. And part of the problem of what's going on in our country, in the States, is, hey, we let in a lot of people that don't work but they want to eat, and we have a lot of citizens that don't work and want to eat right. But here in the Caribbean, in many Caribbean islands and it reminds me of a Smith song which said, back in the days when we were frightfully poor, I just loved you.
Cleveland Oakes:More is when you only have the simple things to worry about. Right, right, then you only worry about the simple things. Yes, are you still worrying? Is the scripture that my brother shared with me. It was like life is full of trouble, life is short, life is full of trouble, but it's a wonderful thing. Anyway, you know, these people actually get that right and they're not worried about that. Yes, do they worry? Are they worried about certain things? Of course we all have worries as humans. Right, right, they sit down and they're enjoying the moment and they're enjoying the pace of life.
Lindsay Oakes:And I think you said yesterday that that's one of the biggest things that you're realizing, especially being here, is that you're kind of ready for a change of pace because you realize that you overdo it there, but here you can't overdo it because there's really nothing to overdo.
Cleveland Oakes:There's nothing to overdo. Like I felt great from you, know, and this is, and I've felt great all all week, and it's not that I don't feel good at home Um, but here the pace is just different. Right, the pace is different. Do I want to see clients? No, absolutely, and I'm absolutely not seeing anybody and I'm not taking any anybody else's psychic energy for the next week and it's going to be like a refreshing and and and like a reset for me, but it is actually just taking the time to take time for myself.
Lindsay Oakes:Right, and that's the message right Is to take time, to take time for yourself. I always take time for myself and sometimes it drives you crazy. You're like, oh, you get to watch TV every day. I'm like I just set myself up that way that I can lay on the couch at the end of the day and you have to take time for yourself to do the things that you like, because you're never guaranteed another day.
Cleveland Oakes:You're never guaranteed another day. You're never guaranteed another day Tomorrow. You're never guaranteed another day. Tomorrow is not promised, as Jesus says in the Bible. And we're going to wrap this one up because we're going to go take a nice stroll down the beach. Go look at some monkeys. Don't worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will bring its own anxiety, if you let it. If you let it Right. But live here, live in the present, live in the moment, take care of yourself Right. And understand, as I understand as a grown man, that sometimes when disappointment happens and the people that saw me at Bananas on that rooftop deck, I just was like. I was like where do I know these people from? The guy yells up to me and he shakes my hand.
Lindsay Oakes:I've never been so happy to see you.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, he's like, I've never been so happy to see somebody in my whole life and I was like for real. And he was like dude, you do not know what happened after you got off the plane and he was like also, everybody was very worried about you, so on that note.
Lindsay Oakes:Life is short, life is short, be present. Be present and enjoy every moment.
Cleveland Oakes:And enjoy I'm like a parrot and enjoy every damn moment. This has been Cleveland and Lindsay, and this has been another episode of the Devil, you Don't Know.
